Prophet Muhammad was bewitched

[Divinewhisper07]

It is a well known hadith recorded in canonical Sunni collections such as Sahih al Bukhari for example Book of Medicine, Chapter on Magic/sihr and Sahih Muslim
The story typically involves a Jewish man named Labid ibn al A'sam who cast a spell on the Prophet Muhammad using a comb and hair placed in a well. Muhammad was afflicted for a period until the spell was removed by divine revelation (the Mu'awwidhatayn Suras 113 and 114)
And it has been reported about the Prophet of God, God bless him and grant him salvation, that he said 'Magic/sihr is a reality and the evil eye is a reality.' And it has been reported about him, God bless him and grant him salvation that he was bewitched by it and that magic/sihr was extracted from the well. But the hadith about that is well known...

 

[Ananda]

Yeah, it makes sense to throw away the words of all the Rishis of India, and the Buddha, to follow a man susceptible to being bewitched by some jewish guy.

 

[thepolestar]

 

[Divinewhisper07]

Yeah, it makes sense to throw away the words of all the Rishis of India, and the Buddha, to follow a man susceptible to being bewitched by some jewish guy.

Actually I meant dat even scripture like Qur'an mention of magic

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It's okkiee buddy I'm not a great fan dat bizarre prophetic tradition still it does mentions of magic as being real tho

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Yeah, it makes sense to throw away the words of all the Rishis of India, and the Buddha, to follow a man susceptible to being bewitched by some jewish guy.

Hilarious how you evoke the Buddha to justify an ego this bloated.... Pretty sure clinging to xenophobic rhetoric' wasn't on the Eightfold Path...

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Don't worry, the 'bewitchment' won't hurt you !! Are you not a pure blood or are you frm the Squibs???

 

[moalkhatib]

I'm afraid the claims made in the thread are not accurate. The hadith being cited about magic is not considered authentic, and the ideas mentioned there fall under Toratic or Israelite traditions rather than established Islamic teachings.

 

[Divinewhisper07]

I'm afraid the claims made in the thread are not accurate. The hadith being cited about magic is not considered authentic, and the ideas mentioned there fall under Toratic or Israelite traditions rather than established Islamic teachings.

Qur’an itself speaks of magic in Surah Al Baqarah and the historical record shows Muslim scholars kings and mystics engaging with talismans jinn evocation and celestial workings for centuries...

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I'm afraid the claims made in the thread are not accurate. The hadith being cited about magic is not considered authentic, and the ideas mentioned there fall under Toratic or Israelite traditions rather than established Islamic teachings.

How comforting it must be to hide behind chains of narration and scholarly technicalities while the old currents still flow beneath the surface of the tradition....

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I'm afraid the claims made in the thread are not accurate. The hadith being cited about magic is not considered authentic, and the ideas mentioned there fall under Toratic or Israelite traditions rather than established Islamic teachings.

But to claim that the entirety of the ruhani sciences and the art of the letters has no root in established Islamic soil is either profound ignorance or deliberate blindnes

 

[Jsinclair]

Yeah, it makes sense to throw away the words of all the Rishis of India, and the Buddha, to follow a man susceptible to being bewitched by some jewish guy.

And taken out by a Jewish woman. With a poisoned lamb. Three different levels of irony, there.

 

[Ananda]

Divinewhisper07

Hilarious how you evoke the Buddha to justify an ego this bloated.... Pretty sure clinging to xenophobic rhetoric' wasn't on the Eightfold Path...

Despite my bloated ego, I haven't come close to anything like declaring that only the Abrahamic faiths are valid, and that I am the final prophet sent from God...

 

[Angelkesfarl]

"The truth is, your ego or lack thereof means nothing to the followers of Islam. Moreover, your blatant boasting of Indian wisdom that holds no value—where every detail invites me to worship a rat or follow a tree—is the height of ridicule in my rational community. How can I worship an entity that is inherently lesser than I? And what wisdom calls me to waste years of my life redefining water as a liquid?

I hope everyone understands that when it was said Prophet Muhammad was affected by magic in some narratives, the Quran states he is human; thus, the same earthly laws apply to him. He is distinguished only by his conduct and his messengership from God. If we apply critical theory, we find that Jesus, as the Gospel narratives claim, was crucified—which clashes with the beliefs of his own followers. Therefore, magic itself exists, served by demons, and the 'Evil Eye' is the hidden fuel for sorcerers in Dark Magic (by which I mean 'Harm').

Psychopathic personalities and their ilk have a far more potent influence than 'Sigma' or generally kind personalities in the magic of sickness or death. This is because they possess a psychological drive fueled by hatred for the 'Other' and a desire for destruction. Even ego is a pretext for arrogance, making one feel stronger or greater than others—a feeling contradicted by the reality of those who harbor it.

We may disagree, yes. But if you attempt to despise my belief because it is different, then you are a fool who must be disciplined by the Pen and by the Truth.

 

[Ananda]

"The truth is, your ego or lack thereof means nothing to the followers of Islam. Moreover, your blatant boasting of Indian wisdom that holds no value—where every detail invites me to worship a rat or follow a tree—is the height of ridicule in my rational community.

You start with lies. We worship neither rats nor trees. We do worship a breed of cattle found specifically in India, as well as the tulsi plant. If your 'rational' community had made any spiritual progress, they would be able to recognize the powers of the aforementioned by merely looking at them. Buddhist vippasana is sufficient for this. What this means is that the 'spiritual' exercises of the abrahamic religions are worthless. In none of them is meditation on the self, a core practice. Only some niche sects, who have stolen their ideas from elsewhere, practice it.

If a person was genuinely holy, his virtue itself would provide protection against magick, and other malevolent influences.

 

[Palingenius]

You start with lies. We worship neither rats nor trees. We do worship a breed of cattle found specifically in India, as well as the tulsi plant. If your 'rational' community had made any spiritual progress, they would be able to recognize the powers of the aforementioned by merely looking at them. Buddhist vippasana is sufficient for this. What this means is that the 'spiritual' exercises of the abrahamic religions are worthless. In none of them is meditation on the self, a core practice. Only some niche sects, who have stolen their ideas from elsewhere, practice it.

If a person was genuinely holy, his virtue itself would provide protection against magick, and other malevolent influences.

This is just hindutva and polemical trash

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And I must say that Vipassana is nonsense. From a metaphysical point of view, it's simply quackery: they claim, for example (Ksanikavada), that the mind is made up of momentary consciousnesses and that the goal of Vipassana is to perceive these moments. According to them, there is no permanent observer of these moments, but in reality, we are (so to speak) a momentary consciousness observing a previous momentary consciousness; it is a moment that knows another moment. Now, what these Vipassana Buddhists fail to do is define what they mean by "a moment that knows another moment." In fact, they don't even bother with this notion of perception or knowledge, nor do they explain, for example, how perception can be both created by the mind and an objective fact, nor what they mean by "passing" or "emerging" moments. In reality, these are just words thrown around without being defined.


Obviously, this escapes supremacists like you, who are completely blind to the internal contradictions of Eastern doctrines. In this respect, I find Plato, Aristotle, and all of Islamic philosophy, which you so detest, infinitely superior.

 

[Divinewhisper07]

Religious heretics or any religious individuals will never understand mysctism they even hate beliefs like magick which is nothing btw does comes frm a divine source just like hemerticism came to existence so there is Islamic magick as well coptic magick... Btw there is no belief in magick in the great buddhism tradition or Hinduism cause such faith did suppressed such old beliefs indigenous gods under the aegis of Buddha and other such astecist figures like Huineng, Bodhidharma even in Hinduism Local deities were often declared "avatars" of Vishnu or Shiva... In both faith there was a historical push toward intellectualism and away from shamanism... Even Dharmapalas like beings they were local beliefs and spirits related to magick then later turn into protecter of Dharma... However, later "Vajrayana" (Tantric) Buddhism brought "magick" back in even so called famous Guru Adi Shankara is often credited with "cleaning up" older hindu gods as well other indigenous beliefs... Before him many local cults practiced raw, sometimes violent, Tantric rituals... Shankara replaced these indigenous beliefs as well old gods with "Sattvic" (pure/intellectual) worship.. his folks are castiest even to this day and even worship their tutelary goddess secretly

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You start with lies. We worship neither rats nor trees. We do worship a breed of cattle found specifically in India, as well as the tulsi plant. If your 'rational' community had made any spiritual progress, they would be able to recognize the powers of the aforementioned by merely looking at them. Buddhist vippasana is sufficient for this. What this means is that the 'spiritual' exercises of the abrahamic religions are worthless. In none of them is meditation on the self, a core practice. Only some niche sects, who have stolen their ideas from elsewhere, practice it.

If a person was genuinely holy, his virtue itself would provide protection against magick, and other malevolent influences.

There has always been a caste element to this. The "Great Gurus" were often scholars who wrote in Sanskrit or Pali languages of the elite caste or class... When a Guru arrived with a "Universal Truth," it often relegated local wisdom to the status of "superstition" or "folk belief." Vedanta and the "High Brahminical" culture spread, they did destroy local gods they rebranded them... A local blood drinking tribal goddess like kali might be redefined as a "demure" form of Parvati... Even local stone deity was identified as an avatar of Vishnu Adi Shankara as a reformer who found the old "magickal" practices like those of the Kapalikas or Shaktas to be too extreme or "dirty....

 

[Ananda]

This is just hindutva and polemical trash

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And I must say that Vipassana is nonsense. From a metaphysical point of view, it's simply quackery: they claim, for example (Ksanikavada), that the mind is made up of momentary consciousnesses and that the goal of Vipassana is to perceive these moments. According to them, there is no permanent observer of these moments, but in reality, we are (so to speak) a momentary consciousness observing a previous momentary consciousness; it is a moment that knows another moment. Now, what these Vipassana Buddhists fail to do is define what they mean by "a moment that knows another moment." In fact, they don't even bother with this notion of perception or knowledge, nor do they explain, for example, how perception can be both created by the mind and an objective fact, nor what they mean by "passing" or "emerging" moments. In reality, these are just words thrown around without being defined.


Obviously, this escapes supremacists like you, who are completely blind to the internal contradictions of Eastern doctrines. In this respect, I find Plato, Aristotle, and all of Islamic philosophy, which you so detest, infinitely superior.

I recommend a buddhist method and you accuse me of Hindutva. Hindutva is thousand times better than Islamists.

There is no need to study confusing vipassana theory written by later commentators. The only thing anyone needs to learn is the Maha-Sathipattana sutta, taught by the Buddha. It is a very simple, highly effective practice.

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Religious heretics or any religious individuals will never understand mysctism they even hate beliefs like magick which is nothing btw does comes frm a divine source just like hemerticism came to existence so there is Islamic magick as well coptic magick... Btw there is no belief in magick in the great buddhism tradition or Hinduism cause such faith did suppressed such old beliefs indigenous gods under the aegis of Buddha and other such astecist figures like Huineng, Bodhidharma even in Hinduism Local deities were often declared "avatars" of Vishnu or Shiva... In both faith there was a historical push toward intellectualism and away from shamanism... Even Dharmapalas like beings they were local beliefs and spirits related to magick then later turn into protecter of Dharma... However, later "Vajrayana" (Tantric) Buddhism brought "magick" back in even so called famous Guru Adi Shankara is often credited with "cleaning up" older hindu gods as well other indigenous beliefs... Before him many local cults practiced raw, sometimes violent, Tantric rituals... Shankara replaced these indigenous beliefs as well old gods with "Sattvic" (pure/intellectual) worship.. his folks are castiest even to this day and even worship their tutelary goddess secretly

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There has always been a caste element to this. The "Great Gurus" were often scholars who wrote in Sanskrit or Pali languages of the elite caste or class... When a Guru arrived with a "Universal Truth," it often relegated local wisdom to the status of "superstition" or "folk belief." Vedanta and the "High Brahminical" culture spread, they did destroy local gods they rebranded them... A local blood drinking tribal goddess like kali might be redefined as a "demure" form of Parvati... Even local stone deity was identified as an avatar of Vishnu Adi Shankara as a reformer who found the old "magickal" practices like those of the Kapalikas or Shaktas to be too extreme or "dirty....

You're just repeating a bunch of garbage made up by (demonic forces acting through) leftists who want to destroy the vedic religion, and Europeans who want to claim the vedic culture as their own. The vedic religion is the indigenous religion of India. It is only cattle found in India, that have that special vibe. The vindhya mountains of India, are the abode of Kali. The sacred places of Skanda are only found in South India. Our scriptures extoll rivers found only in India. The place where Rama worshiped Shiva in the southern tip of India still has a powerful energy that can be felt. There have been heterogenous sects (including Buddhism) in Bharat for a long time.

Try practicing meditation every day. You may experience the power of these places, and get a clue in a few lifetimes.

 

[Palingenius]

I genuinely don't know how to answer this, the Indo-Aryan Migration theory is the dominant scholarly consensus, this is based on archaeology, genetics and linguistics, moreover many hindus supported this theory (e.g

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). To support the contrary would mean either :
1- There is no indo-european group
2- The indo-european expansion began in India
Both claims being baseless and borderline pseudo-science.

 

[Ananda]

European claims to the Vedic religion are baseless and pseudo-science.

Worship of Shiva (Pashupathi) was prevalent in the Indus valley civilization before the supposed 'Aryan invasion'.

The generally accepted date of the 'Aryan invasion' is 1500 BCE. The date of the Mahabharata war according to the astronomical phenomena described in the Mahabharata itself, is 3067 BCE (

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Darbha grass and rice are always used in vedic ceremonies. Both of them are native to the tropical and temperate parts of Asia and Africa.

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Rama and Krishna (the very embodiment of what it means to Aryan) are described as being of a very dark complexion. And so was Arjuna.

I could go on and on debunking your lies but I can sense the energy of supra-mundane things now and I'm not confused anymore.

I'm sure all the supposed 'Aryans' from Europe reading this post have never heard of the Mahabharata war, the requirements of the vedic rituals, of Rama, Krishna, or Arjuna, before reading this post.

 

[Palingenius]

So to make things clear, do you claim that :
1- There is no indo-european group
2- The indo-european expansion began in India

 

[Ananda]

So to make things clear, do you claim that :
1- There is no indo-european group
2- The indo-european expansion began in India

I'm saying that both occult perceptions and mundane analysis suggest that the Vedic religion originated in India.