Beginner Demon Contact Question

[atokee]

Hi, I'm relatively new to working with spirtiual entities- i know i can research this and also like the usual basics around spiritual contact but what is distinct about contacting demons over say other folk spirits or spirit guides?

 

[akenu]

There isn't any specific distinction; demons are spirits like any other. They used to be deities, etc., before being called demons by the Church.

 

[fungus77]

It depends on what framework you're going about contacting demons with. Some frameworks, like using the Ars Goetia, uses the names/power of angels to bind and command demons into doing what you want them to do. Buuut this binding and commanding doesn't (usually?) happen when contacting other spirits. That's the only main difference I can think of though.

 

[ArchonLynx]

Embody the archetype your trying to contact/merge with you gotta become the spirit to be enthralled once enthralled you align your energy signature to the spirit. Become a bright beacon for such spirits or archetypes to flock to.

Become a beacon & let these conscience forms find you.

Dreams will reveal the rest

 

[FireBorn]

In my experience, if you meet the demon as it is, with as much authenticity as you can, and try to keep pre-existing frameworks and preconceptions to a minimum, you will usually do better than if you try to posture.

Demons can see through your bullshit. You aren’t going to fool them, so just meet them as you are.

The only rough experiences I have had with demons were the few times I came in cocky. I was promptly put back in my place. Other than that, when I have approached with honesty, respect, and openness, things have gone well for me.

Absolutes about spirits are always a red flag to me. We each have our own experiences and frameworks. Who is correct? The experiencer.

I think one of the hardest parts for newer folks in spirit work is getting over that hump of “letting go” and letting the encounter happen. No matter what framework you are using, remember that you may not be controlling the demon, or even the encounter itself, but you absolutely can control your willingness to take part in it. You can also stop, step back, banish, ground, and try again later if needed.

Choose a demon that resonates with you, but do at least enough basic research to understand who you are reaching toward. Then do your ritual, however you need to do it, and see what happens. Take notes and don’t give up. Contact does not always happen the way we think it will, and it may not happen every single time.

Just keep going. Keep learning. Keep paying attention.

Hope you make contact, it's like nothing else!

 

[atokee]

Thank you for the responses! I am asking cause an attempt at contact Litlith did attract other spirits and opened a portal- (I had a warning through a dream)- I don't know if I was lacking in protective measures but it seems i actaully am able to contact the energy of Lilith fine, it just did attract other energies who lingered. It is i think easier say to work with Gods, (worked with mostly Venus and Mars before) cause I find that its just more established as a practice and expecteed and less measures for contact are needed and they expect contact. I did also want to attempt to contact Vassago for better pyschic abilities- its just that the Goetia is fundemntally christain, and so it is basically binding a demon through a very abrahamic context and I do feel like it isnt a very reciprocral way of creating contact. I just don't really wanna go in though with like basically not enough armour or protective measures. Like not carrying a knife in case there's an attack cause they can tell you don't have backing. So basically circle casting, normal protective measures ie wards, and salt circles still attracted lingering entities (I wouldn't say malovelent but they definitely didn't fuck with me).

 

[CapricornusNashira]

Thank you for the responses! I am asking cause an attempt at contact Litlith did attract other spirits and opened a portal- (I had a warning through a dream)- I don't know if I was lacking in protective measures but it seems i actaully am able to contact the energy of Lilith fine, it just did attract other energies who lingered. It is i think easier say to work with Gods, (worked with mostly Venus and Mars before) cause I find that its just more established as a practice and expecteed and less measures for contact are needed and they expect contact. I did also want to attempt to contact Vassago for better pyschic abilities- its just that the Goetia is fundemntally christain, and so it is basically binding a demon through a very abrahamic context and I do feel like it isnt a very reciprocral way of creating contact. I just don't really wanna go in though with like basically not enough armour or protective measures. Like not carrying a knife in case there's an attack cause they can tell you don't have backing. So basically circle casting, normal protective measures ie wards, and salt circles still attracted lingering entities (I wouldn't say malovelent but they definitely didn't fuck with me).

I think approaching Lilith in the context of the Ars Goetia doesn’t make the most sense considering she’s not tethered to the classic Solomonic system. Pathworking and dream work, however, are pretty effective ways to tap into her Current; Gamaliel is connected to the dream/astral space after all!

 

[atokee]

I mean I def didn’t meant Lilith in conjunction with goetia- that’s more vassago. I used more like common deity approaches

 

[Darkat]

Thank you for the responses! I am asking cause an attempt at contact Litlith did attract other spirits and opened a portal- (I had a warning through a dream)- I don't know if I was lacking in protective measures but it seems i actaully am able to contact the energy of Lilith fine, it just did attract other energies who lingered. It is i think easier say to work with Gods, (worked with mostly Venus and Mars before) cause I find that its just more established as a practice and expecteed and less measures for contact are needed and they expect contact. I did also want to attempt to contact Vassago for better pyschic abilities- its just that the Goetia is fundemntally christain, and so it is basically binding a demon through a very abrahamic context and I do feel like it isnt a very reciprocral way of creating contact. I just don't really wanna go in though with like basically not enough armour or protective measures. Like not carrying a knife in case there's an attack cause they can tell you don't have backing. So basically circle casting, normal protective measures ie wards, and salt circles still attracted lingering entities (I wouldn't say malovelent but they definitely didn't fuck with me).

Use daemonic enns to contact the daemons/deities that you want to work with and then treat them with respect. Do not try evoking them with goetic rites and the like, that is not the way to have a good relationship with a daemon.
Look for enns on the Black Witch Coven website, most of them are on there.

 

[SaiMage]

There isn't any specific distinction; demons are spirits like any other. They used to be deities, etc., before being called demons by the Church.

 

[Lucien6493]

Don't be so sure you actually know why you are calling them. Spirits work upstream of what you think you want so it is a good idea to keep an open mind in that regard. This is one of the reasons why it is advised not to negotiate with the daemonic. You will anyway, just be aware of it. And by negotiate I mean that the initial contact will be filtered through whatever it is you think you are dealing with and how your own psychology, your fears in particular, will play into that. To illustrate...Venus and Mars. Quite familiar. Your expectations are clear. You have a pretty good idea of what their offices represent, how they are likely to respond and so on. You are standing on solid ground. Your ground. Relatively safe within your lack of confusion. Your inner monologue is not running about like a monkey on meth trying to cover the bases. Vassago? Maybe not so much. Lilith...toss the book. She is a free agent.

What you want to keep in mind in spirit work is that how "they" appear to you is a convenience. It is an interface. Like a computer terminal. What you are getting is not them. Once the actual work begins though you are dealing with an entire landscape, a world unto itself that will reconfigure your own. So, no, you are not opening portals. If you did you would be drowning, not here asking questions. Which brings me to bindings, imprecations, banishings, calling on higher authorities; endlessly long, dreadfully boring prayers, and so on. This is structurally sound operating procedure. No need to take it religiously though. Feel free to modify and adapt. You do this instinctively when dealing with Venus and Mars. So really, when working with demons as opposed to other types of spirits, it's more a question of what you bring to the table. To put it another way...calling on Saint Michael for justice and you will be working with a spirit that supports your self-definition whereas a demon will work through your own chaos.

 

[atokee]

Thank you for the responses!

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Use daemonic enns to contact the daemons/deities that you want t

Don't be so sure you actually know why you are calling them. Spirits work upstream of what you think you want so it is a good idea to keep an open mind in that regard. This is one of the reasons why it is advised not to negotiate with the daemonic. You will anyway, just be aware of it. And by negotiate I mean that the initial contact will be filtered through whatever it is you think you are dealing with and how your own psychology, your fears in particular, will play into that. To illustrate...Venus and Mars. Quite familiar. Your expectations are clear. You have a pretty good idea of what their offices represent, how they are likely to respond and so on. You are standing on solid ground. Your ground. Relatively safe within your lack of confusion. Your inner monologue is not running about like a monkey on meth trying to cover the bases. Vassago? Maybe not so much. Lilith...toss the book. She is a free agent.

What you want to keep in mind in spirit work is that how "they" appear to you is a convenience. It is an interface. Like a computer terminal. What you are getting is not them. Once the actual work begins though you are dealing with an entire landscape, a world unto itself that will reconfigure your own. So, no, you are not opening portals. If you did you would be drowning, not here asking questions. Which brings me to bindings, imprecations, banishings, calling on higher authorities; endlessly long, dreadfully boring prayers, and so on. This is structurally sound operating procedure. No need to take it religiously though. Feel free to modify and adapt. You do this instinctively when dealing with Venus and Mars. So really, when working with demons as opposed to other types of spirits, it's more a question of what you bring to the table. To put it another way...calling on Saint Michael for justice and you will be working with a spirit that supports your self-definition whereas a demon will work through your own chaos.

I mean that is actually helpful- but I feel again that ignores the reality around how any spirit can be malefic or benevolent. There's also the reality, kind of what Crowley was doing early on with the more kantian framework, that essentially spirits are always being percieved by the subject and so will only take forms depending on the subject- however that doesn't mean the spirit doesn't exist but rather it will take on whatever form you are capable of intercepting them in. Portals to me are real, and I had other outside confirmation it was happening (unless of course those sources aren't reliable). It seems very much that the energy around Lilith (cause she is popular right not) does mean it invites energies in more so than usual ontop of being demonic. My own approach to spirit is very much the unconcious does influence magic whether you intend it to or not, and so bringing forth magic is essentially always calling to a dissolving of the subject because that reality is always given a chance to be overturned. I do find howver some sense of stability is needed or else you just risk pyschosis along with acutal harm. I am just kind of tired of internalizing a very abrahamic sense of mortality where good and evil exist in very straightfoward and distinct ways and that morality and ethics is not informed by culture, institutions etc so I don't know- we 're all human at the end, invitiing any energy can end up bringing on more than we intended- there are darker Venusian/ Mar related tendencies- its safer only in the rituals and apprach is already open and has a traditional expected usage. So idk if I expect a demon to be necessarily chaotic any-more so than the fact that just like people in real life they have their own expectaitons and agendas. While i'm not a fan of the more new-agey interpreations of Lilith as basically self-help mommy, I think its true she taps into the reality of the human state around excersising will around very human very hammurabi's code type of law. Though I do think I need more efficient banishing methods and more efficient methods to connecting to spirit than what I have now- so feel free to give suggestions. So what if I approach Lilith, say for sexual trauma or whatever- its going to disturb that energy further and bring further instability- is that what you're saying like approaching a demon is always a tower moment?