Jesus prayer songs vs mantras

[Amur]

Here is a pretty big different between the vibration of a jesus worship song and a mantra. For the mantras I recommend playing them 24/7 inside your room to 'enlighten' all of the objects. But for the Jesus worship songs I recommend just playing them when you are listening. Because they don't energetically light up any of the objects etc. So there is a pretty big difference between the two. Also noticed that magick tends to build on itself so the more you do a ritual the more you get the Light to vibrate inside your house/room. Anyone else noticed this difference? And what kind of difference do you see?

 

[Xenophon]

There are those among the Orthodox who swear by the so-called "Jesus Prayer" as a mantra. ("Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."---it's far more euphonious in liturgical Greek or Slavonic.) See "Way of a Pilgrim" if interested. And eschew "The Pilgrim Continues His Way" as a piss-poor sequel.

Guenon rightly taught that the earlier strata of Christianity had preserved (for a time) some of antiquity's noumenal roots.

 

[Amur]

Here's one pretty good

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[Morell]

If I wanted to use Christian music for magic, I would not use these songs, but

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Mantra seems to me to be more powerful because it is constant repeat of single idea/thought/theme, while the song speaks a lot of themes, or images/ideas. Also Christian songs of prayer, especially like the one you posted, feel to me not intended to be a real prayer for personal use. (if I'm not mistaken, they are copyrighted and not for free use)

 

[Xenophon]

If I wanted to use Christian music for magic, I would not use these songs, but

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Mantra seems to me to be more powerful because it is constant repeat of single idea/thought/theme, while the song speaks a lot of themes, or images/ideas. Also Christian songs of prayer, especially like the one you posted, feel to me not intended to be a real prayer for personal use. (if I'm not mistaken, they are copyrighted and not for free use)

I think you can make a copy for personal use, can't you? As a stopgap, just record it with your smartphone from the computer. Poor quality picture, but the sound should be OK. I could see someone just using the first lines of, say, "Dies Illa," from the opening to "...cuncta strictus discursurus." (sic?)

 

[Morell]

I must have explained myself little wrong. Practically it's of course okay to make copies of music. (Windows 10 (11 too maybe? Don't know) includes software to record your screen including the sound... and it can include microphone too if you wish)
Can't deny that I have kind of aversion to music industry and not less for it's Christian branch.

 

[Amur]

If I wanted to use Christian music for magic, I would not use these songs, but

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Mantra seems to me to be more powerful because it is constant repeat of single idea/thought/theme, while the song speaks a lot of themes, or images/ideas. Also Christian songs of prayer, especially like the one you posted, feel to me not intended to be a real prayer for personal use. (if I'm not mistaken, they are copyrighted and not for free use)

Yeah I was looking for exactly something like Gregorian Chant. Thank you for contributing. I usually have some form of sanskrit mantra or something else playing on my computer at my magick room. So will add some Gregorian Chants there

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The Gregorian Chants are fantastic, thank you @Morell for adding them to my list of favorites.

 

[Xingtian]

There are those among the Orthodox who swear by the so-called "Jesus Prayer" as a mantra. ("Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."---it's far more euphonious in liturgical Greek or Slavonic.) See "Way of a Pilgrim" if interested. And eschew "The Pilgrim Continues His Way" as a piss-poor sequel.

I guess it depends on how one defines “mantra” but my understanding is that mantras have a certain mojo inherent in the sounds even if concentration makes it more effective. The practice of the Jesus prayer in the traditional sources really depends on attention and concentration like any prayer. I think it was Theophan the Recluse who called inattentive prayer “praying to the air,” ie useless. Of course in popular usage (the only usage that matters for most people) the Jesus prayer and other invocations can have all sorts of apotropaic or talismanic benefits.

The formula is also not really important, simply uttering “Jesus” encapsulates the whole thing. The earliest texts referencing the Jesus prayer (eg Hesychios’ chapters included in Philokalia vol 1) seem to assume a simple invocation of “Lord Jesus”. In later explanations the name is considered to inhere in the conscious invocation and not simply in sounds or letters (see the imiaslavie controversy if you’re really into hair-splitting theological debates that end with warships firing water cannons at monks).

The Way of a Pilgrim is an interesting slice of 19th century Russian spirituality but I think for the theory and practice of the Jesus prayer the Philokalic texts it references are a lot richer, most of them are conveniently translated in one volume in Writings from the Philokalia on Prayer of the Heart.

 

[Xenophon]

I guess it depends on how one defines “mantra” but my understanding is that mantras have a certain mojo inherent in the sounds even if concentration makes it more effective. The practice of the Jesus prayer in the traditional sources really depends on attention and concentration like any prayer. I think it was Theophan the Recluse who called inattentive prayer “praying to the air,” ie useless. Of course in popular usage (the only usage that matters for most people) the Jesus prayer and other invocations can have all sorts of apotropaic or talismanic benefits.

The formula is also not really important, simply uttering “Jesus” encapsulates the whole thing. The earliest texts referencing the Jesus prayer (eg Hesychios’ chapters included in Philokalia vol 1) seem to assume a simple invocation of “Lord Jesus”. In later explanations the name is considered to inhere in the conscious invocation and not simply in sounds or letters (see the imiaslavie controversy if you’re really into hair-splitting theological debates that end with warships firing water cannons at monks).

The Way of a Pilgrim is an interesting slice of 19th century Russian spirituality but I think for the theory and practice of the Jesus prayer the Philokalic texts it references are a lot richer, most of them are conveniently translated in one volume in Writings from the Philokalia on Prayer of the Heart.

Whatever.

 

[Morell]

The Gregorian Chants are fantastic, thank you @Morell for adding them to my list of favorites.

I'm curious. You said that you notice how Mantras and that Christian prayer songs influence energy in your room. What do you notice there when playing the Gregorian chant I gave link to?

 

[Xingtian]

On the matter of Christian chants, Byzantine chant is also worth a listen:

 

[Amur]

I'm curious. You said that you notice how Mantras and that Christian prayer songs influence energy in your room. What do you notice there when playing the Gregorian chant I gave link to?

It has a more revening state as opposed to prayer songs. A bit like mantras but more in a direct western uplifting manner.

 

[Ziran]

magick tends to build on itself

Agreed. Layering. Layering and layering of significance in the heart and mind of the caster.

Peace and love to you,

 

[Xenophon]

It has a more revening state as opposed to prayer songs. A bit like mantras but more in a direct western uplifting manner.

Depends on the chant. Dies Irae was meant to make listeners tremble. (Though, yeah. The sound suggests not all is bleak.)

 

[Amur]

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This was the best gregorian chant I found. Is worthy of my approval

 

[Morell]

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This was the best gregorian chant I found. Is worthy of my approval

I think it the best myself.

 

[Amur]

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These were the best I could find.

 

[Xingtian]

To me, a proper Christian hymn should have a sufficient sense of dread. Like being in the presence of awesome and incomprehensible beings. This medieval znamenny cherubikon does that:

Or this Byzantine Holy Saturday hymn:

 

[Xenophon]

To me, a proper Christian hymn should have a sufficient sense of dread. Like being in the presence of awesome and incomprehensible beings. This medieval znamenny cherubikon does that:

Or this Byzantine Holy Saturday hymn:

If we ever locked horns in the past, your musical suggestions just above win you my sincerest good will.

 

[Sabbatius]

There are those among the Orthodox who swear by the so-called "Jesus Prayer" as a mantra. ("Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner."---it's far more euphonious in liturgical Greek or Slavonic.) See "Way of a Pilgrim" if interested. And eschew "The Pilgrim Continues His Way" as a piss-poor sequel.

Many of the Monks of Mt. Athos also utilize the Trisagion Hymn as a prayer rule as well. The dependence of the time of year, the Xristos Anesti for 50 days after the Resurrection celebrations. Orthodoxy has its interesting sonorous musings.